now i have to determine what -- based on that information as well as what the cia says, what the truth is. >> stephanie: yeah, because at that time, dick cheney was on television every day saying water boarding worked. >> right. >> stephanie: and people who have read all of this intelligence say this is not true. they said this is a misimpression. so john brennan. >> i never believe it is better to kill a terrorist than to detain them. we want to illicit the intelligence from them. >> stephanie: somebody else was saying that it sounded like he was for killing instead of detaining. and he corrected this. this is the aforementioned code pink hubbub. >> john brennan [ inaudible ]! >> if i might ask -- >> [ inaudible ]! >> i'm going to ask that this room be cleared right now. will the capitol police please come in and clear the room. >> stephanie: that was senator feinstein. >> yeah. >> stephanie: huh? >> hum. >> stephanie: okay. >> it's just interesting, you know. >> stephanie: i had this debate, i was on governor granholm's last show -- [ applause ] >> stephanie: i can't breathe without